Go Ask Alice: The Trouble With “Uncle Charlie”

Blending the movies “Stoker” and “Alice in Wonderland,” both featuring the actress Mia Wasikowska

There is a whole genre of conspiracy-lore that I call, for lack of a better term, “MK-Girls”—narratives concerning women who are allegedly born into/recruited/exploited/abused and otherwise turned into “sex slave assassins” by a secret society/the Illuminati/warlocks/CIA/etc. The prefix “MK” refers to Project MKUltra, an actual CIA “mind-control” project (the full extent of which remains unclear, though obviously heavily-speculated on).

My goal with this post is not to “prove” whether the “MK-Girls”—and the related “Uncle Charlie” archetype—are real. But rather, it is simply to explore this enduring narrative, and its reflections in pop-culture. When the same story gets retold over and over and over again, you have to ask: why?

Thanks For The Memories by Brice Taylor would be a part of that genre; others would include writings/lectures from Arizona Wilder, Cisco Wheeler, Cathy O’Brien and “Svali.” The character “Sveta” from the X-Files season 10 premiere episode, “My Struggle,” is obviously based on the “MK-Girl” archetype, and most likely had her named cribbed from Svali.

Sveta, from the “X-Files” episode “My Struggle”

These stories are on the whole harrowing tales containing every sort of horrible thing that can be done to another human being that one can possibly imagine. They also often feature the name-dropping of celebrities and/or detailed descriptions of “satanic” rituals—two factors that usually lead most media, as well as the ordinary Joe, to dismiss such claims as the fantasies of a disturbed mind.

I. The Unthinkable As Thinkable
Brice Taylor

I’ve always viewed stories such as Brice Taylor’s with a very heavy grain of salt. She claims to have recovered her memories of being a Hollywood/political sex-robot (I’m saying this literally) after having a vehicle accident that gave her a head injury—this is very similar to the circumstances to which Roseanne Barr, who also claimed to have been sexually molested, experienced when she was 16.

So the “easy” answer here is to “blame” all these claims of abuse (and more fantastic-sounding things, like being “owned” by late comedian Bob Hope) on some sort of organic brain anomaly or other medical issue.


On the other hand, with high-profile sex-crime scandals featuring such beloved public figures such as Jimmy Savile, Bill Cosby, and Jared Fogle…well, it certainly makes you question things, doesn’t it? The unthinkable suddenly becomes “thinkable.”

Further, I don’t believe men like them could have operated in a vacuum, without some sort of powerful network spanning the entertainment industry, the media, politics—even the clergy—to hush things up. And so the degrees of separation between these stories and the MK-Girls stories begins to get smaller.

Jimmy Savile with the Pope

Let’s take a closer look at the Savile case at the BBC, for example. This fucker pulled off shit that is on-par with Taylor’s narrative—beloved celebrity involved in massive serial underage sexual abuse, within a pedophile “ring” of other celebrities and persons involved in the entertainment industry. So for someone to write off Thanks For The Memories based solely on the claim that Bob Hope was involved…we can just take one look at the Savile case and revise that particular criteria.


Again, it has to be emphasized here: this was a real investigation that was taken extremely seriously. This was not a self-pubbed book or a YouTube slideshow. And yet the stories of Taylor, some victims in Savile case, and countless other women all seem to have similar elements. Is this the result of some sort of mass mental delusion? Is this the result of confusing reality with pop-culture? Or is pop-culture merely mirroring—almost “confessing,” if you will—what is really going on?

This all brings us to the Trouble With Uncle Charlie.

II. “Uncle Charlie” As Archetype Of A MKUltra “Handler”
Matthew Goode as “Uncle Charlie” in “Stoker”

We start with the trailer for the 2013 thriller Stoker, a Hitchcockian (or Brian dePalmian, take your pick) thriller featuring a teenager played by Mia Wasikowska whose strange, emotionless “Uncle Charlie” comes to visit after her father dies:

Nicole Kidman plays an ineffectual mother who is unable/unwilling/blind to the conspiracy that surrounds her and that involves her daughter—a role much like the wife in the Stanley Kubrick “Illuminati” classic Eyes Wide Shut:


And while Matthew Goode may not seem like a household name, he looked naggingly familiar to me. Looking him up on IMDB, I realized why:


He played Ozymandias in Watchmen.

Goode’s Uncle Charlie appears to be a complete predatory psycho, who not only acts seductively to his so-called niece, India, but seems to indoctrinate her into the art of killing and violence culminating with the girl handling an assassin’s rifle:


Coincidentally enough, Brice Taylor had her own Uncle Charlie, a strange emotionless man who indoctrinates her into the world of sex slavery and political intrigue:

“Uncle Charlie was very distinguished looking and wore formal clothes…in a compete nightmarish horror, I watched as my grown father looked retarded and became very childlike when this relative, Charles Lilley Horn, spoke to him. And when the talk turned to subjects I could not fathom, and Uncle Charlie held out a paper for my father to sign…Uncle Charlie further directed my father where to take me for early programming that involved machines and told him about the arrangement with Bob Hope and the connection to the government.”

Following up on the line in the “Stoker” trailer about Uncle Charlie looking very much like India’s dad, we get this passage from Taylor:

“…Uncle Charlie very secretly and with great import informed me that he was my real father and that dad wasn’t my real father…when I asked Uncle Charlie who my real mother was he just nodded quickly and said ‘You don’t have one, it doesn’t matter.'”

Taylor’s Uncle Charlie then allegedly (allegedly) introduces her to Henry Kissinger, which starts her down the road of political intrigue/prostitution.

from “Shadow of a Doubt”

As any true film buff knows, the Stoker Uncle Charlie is far from the most famous. That honor would go to the Uncle Charlie played by Joseph Cotten in the 1943 thriller A Shadow of A Doubt (originally titled, “Uncle Charlie”). You will be shocked to know that this U.C. is also a creepy, semi-incestuous criminally-minded individual who manipulates his teenage niece.

So here you have this archetype of “Uncle Charlie”—the corrupter, the “real dad,” the indoctrinator, the metaphorical or literal perpetrator of incest.

Did Brice Taylor “misremember” her Uncle Charlie from the plot of Shadow of a Doubt? Is “Uncle Charlie” a bit more than that—a predatory boogieman/tulpa haunting the lives of exploited teenage girls? Is it a “code word” of some sort for an actual operative that infiltrates families and indoctrinates these young women into some horrible type of MKULTRA/cult type situation?

III. The Alice In Wonderland Connection


In Stoker, Wasikowska is very much portraying the MK-Girls narrative of the underage innocent who is seduced, possibly involved in incest, corrupted, manipulated and even driven to violence. If we want to find another thematic link to the actress and the subject matter, it is interesting to note that her most famous role to date is the title role in Tim Burton’s Alice In Wonderland:

Taylor cites the figure of Alice as being very crucial to her programming. From a scene in Thanks For The Memories taking place in Disneyland:

“Next, the man took me to scary rides and poked me with needles in my waist and legs while he said things during the Alice in Wonderland ride, like, ‘This is not really happening. I am not really sticking this needle in your leg. You are just like Alice. You also ate the large mushroom and feel funny—this is not real.'”


But Taylor is is not the only “MK-Girl” to place the figure of Alice as important to their narrative. In a 2001 talk, Arizona Wilder described an alternate personality called “Alice in the Gray Place,” the result of her trauma at the hands of MKULTRA-type programming as a child. In fact, there is allegedly a whole “branch” of such “mind-control” techniques called “Alice In Wonderland Programming”…which would make sense…as the original “Alice” story was one of a shadowy, topsy-turvy realm between the real and unreal…a perfect description of reading and listening to these “MK” narratives.

Mia Wasikowska in “Crimson Peak”

Further, the etherial, slightly-“damaged” quality that actress Wasikowska brings to her roles makes her the perfect resonator of both Stoker‘s India and Burton’s Alice. She will reprise that “type” yet again in the film Crimson Peak—a delicate gothic flower caught in an intrigue which may or may not be all in her own head.

IV. In Conclusion


In the end, it could just be that Brice Taylor was indeed the sufferer of childhood abuse who created a “fantasy” world where that abuse included celebrities and political figures in a ring of pedophilia and odd rituals culled from a Hammer film. It could be that the figure of “Uncle Charlie” is nothing more than something used in a film in the 1940s, then “homaged” in Stoker…with Taylor, as suggested, being influenced by the former.


Ditto for the Alice in Wonderland references that continually pop up in “MK-Girl” narratives. Alice could just be an archetype and nothing more…something that these traumatized young women were drawn to as a way to cope and process.

But if all that is true —what are we to make about the case of Jimmy Savile, who had allies in the BBC, the church, the government, and even the Royal Family? Was Savile a lone mutation, a metaphorical “Uncle Charlie” who floated into children’s hospitals and the like, leaving a broken, twisted trail of abused children in his wake? Is he also an archetype, like Alice…an archetype made real, as is the case with Cosby, Fogle, and the other boogeymen who got away with so much for so long?

What is scarier…the fact or fiction?


I merely ask questions, here.

Note: While this article focused solely on females who have claimed to have these repressed memories of abuse—as their stories seem to fit a very specific sort of archetype that has been seized upon by the media & pop-culture—I am aware that there are males with similar stories. Right off the top of my head, you can revisit the allegations regarding what happened to child actors Corey Feldman and Corey Haim. 

Beyond that, the male equivalent of the “MK-Girls” narrative in popular culture seems to fall under the “Manchurian Candidate” archetype; probably the most prominent at the moment would be the characters of The Winter Solider and Jason Bourne. There is also a lot of lore surrounding Lee Harvey Oswald. I will definitely touch upon this archetype in a future post.


  1. Okay this might sound odd but I think the most prominent MK-Girl in modern media might actually be Wolverine. For a long time I’ve thought there was a trend of turning female characters into Wolverine but after reading this I see they were just using the MK-girl origin and Wolverine’s Weapon X backstory is a version of the Mk-Girl origin applied to a masculine figure. Well this is going to give me a lot more to think about for that X-23 article I’ve been trying to write for ages.


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